RussaUkrane
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If you want a site which provides truly independent and propaganda free coverage and analysis of the Russia-Ukraine war you can find it here, also see here for a 2023 update
Glenn Greenwald hit the nail on the head with this one. Shame on those neocon , fake 'left wing' warmongering parties parties
Russians are being slaughtered countlessly, both sides have reported the fact. Russia fights defeatist wars and repeats itself a lot. The moral and right point would be peace talks and a quick end, but I don’t consider this a pro West vs. pro Russia thing, that’s actually the propaganda honestly.
(sort of true or at least understandable: "Neutrality in some matters, is the most dangerous viewpoint."
Well, if the US had taken a more neutral stance, the Ukrainians wouldn't be going to the Indians to broker a peace/armistice treaty with the Russians
The so called CIA/NATO proxy war in Ukraine is the most dissent-free war of any in my lifetime, including Iraq. With Tucker canned from Faux Noos, corporate media is close to 100% united behind Joe Biden's military industrial complex without even the slightest criticism of even giving unlimited aide to refusing to set up peace talks between Ukraine and Russia
That's not healthy for anyone. And it's thus impossible to be informed without independent media.
I support Ukraine joining NATO, now that Russia occupying Ukraine, Ukraine needs to be allowed to join NATO to turn this war around and protect themselves better. This is how you support and help Ukraine the truly
It is so sad that NATO /US and the West are wrongly turning on Ukraine and wrongly throwing Ukraine under the bus. Unlike NATO/US/West I will keep supporting the Ukranian people against whatever problems personally and as a country they face etc.
The US, NATO and west wrongly see Ukraine as a chess piece and not as living breathing people who along with their President VZ are being pawns in a proxy war between the US/NATO and Russia. I hope VZ wises up to this, he was very good in terms of this until the US/NATO and the west got their mitts into him a few years ago and changed him.
It says something when the West, US and NATO fail to respect their allies like Ukraine who have been nothing but loyal to them. It shows that the West, US and NATO are not as clean as they make it out to be. Ukraine shouldn't need to fulfill conditions to be a member of NATO. With NATO expanded as west as it is and the cat out of the bag (Russian invasion in Ukraine) Ukraine might as well join NATO now.
If Ukraine is not allowed to join NATO then what is the point of NATO? How can it have all those countries but exclude Ukraine? That isn't right and that is unfair to Ukraine.
I echo this based quote by VZ: "It’s unprecedented and absurd when [a] time frame is not set neither for the invitation nor for Ukraine’s membership. While at the same time vague wording about ‘conditions’ is added even for inviting Ukraine."
"“We value our allies. We value our shared security. And we always appreciate an open conversation. Ukraine will be represented at the NATO summit in Vilnius. Because it is about respect. But Ukraine also deserves respect,” Zelensky said in a statement on social media. "
“That’s the problem. I mean, when will those conditions be met? What are those conditions? Who should formulate them? What are they?” the diplomat asked.
He noted that the Ukrainian leadership and NATO have a “fundamentally different” approach to the issue of Kiev’s membership.
“Once again, our stance is that all conditions are already in place for inviting Ukraine to become a member of NATO… Their stance is that there are some conditions that must be met,” he said.
I agree with this Tweet below:
At the height of the Cold War, my uncle John F. Kennedy exchanged 26 highly personal letters with the Soviet Premier, Nikita Khrushchev. In his first letter, Krushchev told my uncle that the earth is an ark – we need to preserve it. Through this correspondence, my uncle and Khrushchev realized that they both wanted peace, but that they were surrounded by an intelligence apparatus and by military brass who considered war not only inevitable, but desirable. Sixty years later, my goals are the same. To move beyond simplistic, “us versus them” thinking, to talk to our adversaries, and to preserve this beautiful ark. When America takes the first steps toward peace, we will once again become a true world leader and true moral authority.
Pre conflict
I respect Boris Nemtsov (I supported and still support the Dissenters marches) even though I don't always agree with him . If he was alive today his views on this Russia-Ukraine conflict would be invaluable and really provide a unique intelligent and much needed perspective on this conflict
The Russia SFSR should never have transferred Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR.
I do not support the Maidan Coup which was an illegal act which removed a legit elected head of state . While I am no fan of Viktor Yanukovych, I hate imperialism
I feel that Ukraine deserves criticism for not developing Donbas and leaving it open to Russia and other forces
I believe that in 2021 or in January 2022, if Ukraine and or NATO wanted to prevent a Russian invasion it they should have prophetically warned Russia about how foolish it would be to invade Ukraine, how bad it would be for Russia to do so and how war is hell, like how William Sherman prophetically warned Professor David Boyd about how foolish secession would be , how bad it would be for the South to do so and how war is hell (war really is hell) (Sherman Fighting Prophet page 138)
I feel that the Russia-Ukraine war didn’t have to happen in the first place . This is because personally I feel that if Donald Trump was still President, Russia wouldn't have went to war with Ukraine since V. Putin would have sat back and watched the good times roll with his enabler in office. Thus we wouldn't have this war . Or this would have happened
I believe , like Pat Robertson that Vladimir Putin feels a higher power pushed him to invade Ukraine (or is just off his rocker). More views on this conflict here. Putin is a madman who doesn't give a fuck about human life and he will pay for this
Yes in fact it would have been ideal if Russia acted as a shield to the people of Donbas and Kviv through their intervention in February .Yes Military action should always be used as a last resort. WouldaCouldaShoulda. But fog of war and war is hell.
From a realism perspective, I was concerned before Russia retook Ukraine (Eastern Ukraine), about Eastern Ukraine becoming a hotbed of corruption under Russia, ruled by bickering Russian oligarchs (since Russia is known for corruption)? So legality wise, that made me echo Joe Biden above in February 2022 on Russia retaking Ukraine. (I use retake, invade, intervene interchangably since Ukraine was part of Russia from when the US was founded through 1991 of course history isn't relevant to the state of affairs in Russia/Ukraine nowadays
Funding/structure
I can learn to be ok with John Kennedy (R-LA) and Krysten Sinema's USA Today op-ed idea in June to be ok with US assistance to Ukraine while I still call for an independent auditor to provide transparency to taxpayers about the funding.
I agree with this quote: “Ukraine is not without flaws. We’ve heard several unsettling reports of bad actors exploiting our generosity,”John Kennedy and Krysten Sinema wrote. “Some of our costly weapons have ended up in black markets. And corrupt officials have tried to line their own pockets.”
Rather than “a patchwork of watchdogs” at the Pentagon, State Department and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), Kennedy and Sinema advocated for a single inspector general— similar to the one appointed in 2008 to oversee Afghanistan spending.
I support the For Life political party of Ukraine and it was a shame they were banned
I am glad that the Republican Party is as anti war in the Russia-Ukraine 2022- conflict as Democrats are pro co-exist and have mixed all over the map views on Israel-Palestine
If I have any objections to the US's support for Ukraine they are only in good faith and not in bad faith like with some right wingers objections to the US's support for Ukraine
But some valid reasons to oppose funding to Ukraine is that the US doing more funding to Ukraine makes the military industrial complex even stronger
Like 65 percent of Americans, I am long against continuing to fund Ukraine . We 65 percent are concerned about sanctions contributing to higher food and energy costs at home. Gas prices have averaged more than $4 a gallon since the start of March 2022. Like 81 percent of Americans, I fear that the war will expand into other European countries and like 80 percent of Americans I am concerned about U.S. forces getting involved in the fighting and about Russia using nuclear weapons. Like most Americans, I feel that Ukraine (like Russia) is corrupt. So if I sound too 'pro Russian' it is only because of these facts
Lindsey Graham has made me become somewhat OK with the US continuing to aid Ukraine:
I am glad that the Republican leaders like Kevin McCarthy signaled they want to cut back aide for Ukraine The days of the US being a pez dispenser for endless aide to other countries is over. Let other countries deal with their dirty laundry. We have problems in the US to deal with. Better late than never. I want a peaceful end to the Russia-Ukraine crisis . There never was a good war or a bad peace.” - Benjamin Franklin
Though on a human level (since I am a leftist) and because I realize that the 'military' loans/grants that the US gives out are sent back to the US as contract orders from US weapons manufacturers. And I because I realize that foreign military loans are actually just government subsidies for the US military/industrial complex.
I thus feel some aid should be sent to Ukraine from the US. I mean as much as it sucks, the US does lead NATO and NATO's whole purpose is to be pro Ukraine but I don’t know how to square that idea with my non interventionist views.
Well, one way I pretty much square that idea with my non intervention views is me being on board with this strategy by Nina Turner in this screenshot (though in a way that sets us on a clear path to end unlimited funding for Ukraine in the future sooner rather than later)
But a better way to square that idea with my non intervention views than above is for me to support the US to allow all Ukrainians in Ukraine to move to the US then cut funding to Ukraine the country and instead have the US use that Ukraine money on the 41 million Ukranian refugees in the US domestically (along with all Americans). So maybe this way is best . We still aid tens of millions of Ukranians but after taking them in as refugees in the US and domestically. Then give Ukraine to the descendants of the Proto Indo Ukrainians/Neolithic Ukranians (i.e to the descendants of the settlers of Ukraine before Ukraine was colonized by Indo Ukrainians (i.e by the people Ukrainians of today are descended from)
I am glad that Joe Biden has brought an end to the unipolar world with his aid to Ukraine. Because of the US's aid to Ukraine, Ukraine is now a super power after receiving 1% of the United State's weapons, thus becoming a multipolar world. And since I like us having a multipolar world, I am glad that we are getting there even using the above unconventional route to it
I further understand that the US getting involved in the Russia-Ukraine conflict was because the US is in NATO, and the US has to act in their NATO role to counter Russia since that is what NATO is there for right or wrongly. Otherwise without the US, NATO would be severely weakened against Russia. But I want NATO to be abolished. Oh and I am glad that that Libertarian Reddit moderator wants the US to go to war with Russia since I love fellow Libertarians having diverse viewpoints
I support this attempted diplomatic effort by the Squad to end the Russia-Ukraine conflict. I also generally echo that Jacobin article in this link too. I am fine with the Squad praising Joe Biden and the US’s aid to Ukraine in that article even though I don’t agree with them. Also see here for a related point by me
Frankly out of all the pro Ukraine cheerleading in the West, other than Vaush’s pro Ukraine cheerleading , the Squad has the most harmless and most defensible pro Ukraine cheerleading out there. Even Joe Biden is starting to see the drain of not using diplomacy with Russia
Fundamental war issues
I stand with Ukrainian Anarchists in their opposition to the evils of NATO . See here for more
I echo this point here by Ben Burgis which is BASE!!! I am ANTI WAR. There never was a good war or a bad peace.” - Benjamin Franklin change future
Truly I am third campish on the Russian-Ukraine war too (which is the real leftist position)
Two things can be bad at the same time, just because Russia ought to be stopped, doesn't mean that NATO is good
The unofficial tagline of this sub is "two things can be bad at the same time". Just because Russia must be stopped, doesn't mean that NATO is good. I refuse to simp for NATO
Truly I will admit that I am Anti- both: I personally feel that Russia is unwelcome in Ukraine and Russia should embrace their inner Steve Urkel: Ukraine/Ukranians "Russians Go home! Go home!" Russia: "We Russians don't have to take this! We're going home!" (though all Russian troops in Ukraine pulling a Ryoma on the Fates Conquest route on themselves certainly would be welcomed too)
But truly I believe that the US hegemony is still bad, it's not the solution and NATO still needs to be abolished.
Pretty much all the countries on Earth are run by capitalists and so they don't care about the average person, This applies to the US and Russia choosing a side is similar to the mistake Leftists made in WW1.
Truly, I’m in the pro working class in every country on Earth and I say fuck the assholes at the top camp in every country. So my personal leftist prospective on any war including this Russian-Ukraine war is "no war but class war" When countries fight, workers die.
I'm seeing a hell of a lot of "Anti-both" being falsely accused by Liberal 2.0ers and righoids of being "Pro-Russia Leftists." It's like any criticism we have of NATO or any mention we make of the Azov Battalion or worries about them becoming more powerful within Ukraine has to be prefaced with a fervent condemn
☯✼But until NATO are abolished I feel that NATO might as well be more aggressive against Russia otherwise they are hypocrites and to win the respect of Anti NATO people and NATO critics (like myself)
So thus, NATO (until they are abolished) might as well form a counter group to the CESDP , NATO might as well go after Russia like The Special Purpose Islamic Regiment (SPIR)-RSRSBCM-International Islamic Brigade and Imam Shamil Battalion went after Russia etc etc. ☯✼
From a realism perspective, I feel that Russia making weird excuses for their invasion/retaking/intervention is a bad look. So yes legality wise I feel Russia is trying to reclaim some of their past lands as that is part of their 21st century ideology . Too bad Russia can't embrace the type of Diplomacy that would please GWB (or at worst Tony Blair) For Russia, Russia's motive for their invasion of Ukraine points to colonialism (or maybe even neocolonialism) rather than denazification
The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not unprovoked but in fact provoked, but I don't think it was really justified and I think Russia overreacted. I agree with this article on this here
I can hear the tankies reading this now:
"Golly gee, according to Bruce Gilley/tand maybe colonialism isn't so bad after all . I mean after all according to neolibs and neocons there is scenarios where there could be a case of 'good colonialism' after all/s "
Also from my realism perspective ,my views on Russia-Ukraine conflict are this: Legality wise I am not going to take the "side" of the US or Russia in this Russia-Ukraine war because both sides are imperialist powers. I will instead from my realism perspective support policies that help countries achieve self-determination (as in self determination until secession for Ukraine) and countries funding their military to fund NATO to fund Ukraine but I oppose imperialism on both sides (Russian's counterreactionary imperialism in Ukraine, US manipulation of Latin American elections, both sides' wars in the Middle East, etc).
From my realism perspective, I also acknowledge that Russia has controlled Crimea since 2014. Acknowledging this reality doesn’t make me 'pro-Russia'. NBC did expose that Crimea is pro Russian and also Alex Nalvhany had some good takes on Crimea until he took them back in 2023.
My other realism perspective views on this Russia-Ukraine war match the Russia-Ukraine war views of The Kaverancle
And thus this syncretic realism perspective stance on this war can be seen throughout my blogs
I actually agree with duffmanhb's take on Russia-Ukraine:
https://www.reddit.com/user/duffmanhb/ stu
"I went to school for IR, worked in politics, follow it from a high level, and cited and argued from the perspective of the west's top Russian diplomatic advisor -- who's entire job is to be the west's leader on research and understanding Russia, so we never make the mistakes again of miscalculating their thought process due to western biases. The top of the food chain the west goes to when they teach diplomats and go to when they need factual realistic insight. He argued that basically, yeah, clearly NATO has been creeping into Russia's sphere of influence, has given Russia reasons to not be trust the west, and the west is ideologically inconsistent based on convenience when it comes to Euro-Russian relations. That even IF you don't personally believe these to be true, which he does, at the very least, this is how Russians genuinely perceives the west."
I actually support Henry Kissinger and former heads of the CIA's views on Russia above
This thread on reddit features some great back and forth and debate on the moral absolutism on Russia's invasion of Ukraine
I agree with Dr Cornel West here and his debate on CNN below:
@KaitlanCollins
@CNN
for allowing me to speak on the pressing need to dismantle the gears of US imperialism and abolish NATO. The war in Ukraine and the ongoing tragedy in Israel/Gaza (of turning Jews and Palestinians against one another) are both fueled by war profiteering, a dark testament to the Military Industrial Complex. Under the current administration, this cycle of violence and suffering continues unabated. It's time to challenge these structures, end the genocide against Jews, Palestinians and others, and pivot towards a world built on peace, not profit. #EndImperialism #AbolishNATO #CornelWest2024
I echo this Tweet below by Congressman Jamaal Bowman (D-NY):
Congressman Jamaal Bowman
@RepBowman
We need diplomatic solutions, not endless war. Glad my man
@RepChipRoy
and I found something we could agree on!
Morally, I feel that the US and Europe should try to de escalate the Russia-Ukraine crisis instead of inflaming it. So I say if Dr Cornel West feels the need to squarely blamed the US for Vladimir Putin’s invasion (as long as he is also critical of Putin). Fine. But to call to abolish NATO during this Ukraine-Russia conflict is not wise and even ignorant because to do so would wrongly allow Russia to be able to take more and more of Ukraine and then other parts of Eastern Europe. So abolishing NATO while Russia is at odds with its neighbors is foolish.
This solution by RAND for the Russia-Ukraine conflict seems pretty close to being a sound solution and one I can throw my support around.
This idea right here might have merit as a possible and efficient way to end the Russian-Ukraine war if the US becomes desperate. I believe all ideas should be on the table including that idea
I think these ideas might be good ideas to consider to end this Russia-Ukraine conflict . Also see these ideas by me and these ideas by me for more ideas on this
Joe Biden should have pretended he was nuts to scare Russia into ending their invasion of Ukraine ,like how former President Richard Nixon during the Vietnam War pretended that he was nuts in order to trick North Vietnam into coming to an agreement to end the Vietnam War.
I agree with Ron DeSantis and like him I call for a cease-fire in the Russian war with Ukraine.
Like Ron DeSantis I believe that the situation in Ukraine could get far bloodier if an agreement to end the violence between both sides is not met.
I echo this quote by Ron DeSantis :“You don’t want to end up in like a [Battle of] Verdun situation, where you just have mass casualties, mass expense and end up with a stalemate,” DeSantis said in an interview with Nikkei Asia. “It’s in everybody’s interest to try to get to a place where we can have a cease-fire.”
The Battle of Verdun was the longest battle of World War I. More than 300,000 were killed as a result of the battle.
I also agree with Ron DeSantis that the US foreign policy needs to prioritize the Indo-Pacific, and that Europeans would have to take on more responsibility for their continent.
I echo this quote by Ron Desantis “If the Indo-Pacific is where most of the threats to us are, and that’s going to be our focus, then the Europeans are going have to do more,” DeSantis said.
“The Europeans really need to do more [on Ukraine]. I mean, this is their continent. The U.S. has provided security for them. And yes, Poland — there’s some that are doing stuff, and that should be appreciated. But Germany, they’re not doing anything.”
I agree with these leftist/lean leftist anti war protesters (at that Nancy Pelosi event at that NYC college) protesting against the US's forever involvement in the Ukraine-Russia war . They like most of us are fed up with forever wars/interventions. Those anti war protesters remind of me (in a good way) of the anti Iraq war protesters and I love that they are continuing that anti war tradition into the 2020s.
Let's put our country first along with some international solidarity for fellow travelers.
More takes on Russia-Ukraine conflict :
My This blog Russia-Ukraine views
My Blog 5 Russia-Ukraine views
My Blog 1 Russia-Ukraine views
My Blog 2 Russia-Ukraine views
My Blog 4 Russia-Ukraine views
My Blog 2.5/3 Russia-Ukraine views (work in progress)
The inner tankie within me (from my NFSW private blog)
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